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If your concerned abt credit the person id give credit to is ranger tbh

Reisen: Okay, to be clear, I'm saying caring about credit here is pointless, because a lot of people realized this way before you, and most of them had people realize it before them, and so on (edited)

I attribute a large portion of my progress to ranger

some of my ideas were even fought against and were going against whole community For over a year i was repeating the phrase: “simplify tulpamancy” “Core of tulpamancy is thay expectations form your experience” “Logic gets on the way, symbolism is not necessary” And lumi/reisen/tewi started saying those things to people and even using that as part of the statement of tulpa.info community I don’t mind any of that and i mever een mentioned it, because it’s for the good of community If you started saying you came up with it, that’s when i would call you out

Reisen: Ooo, how long have you been on Tulpa.info exactly? (edited)

sorry for typos typong from bath woth wet fingers

We've been saying that stuff since long before this Discord was created

hey why do you care about credit so much

When other people say those things, we just think, "Nice, someone we agree with who is promoting what we promote!"

that’s silly

Well. When i say i had an idea, that usually means i reached a conclusion, not the same as Saying that i came up with something (if thats how i come off, its not how i mean to)

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

hey why do you care about credit so much

~~Because your claim was wrong lol~~

ok repeat to me what my problem is

Reisen: We didn't invent that stuff either, since we were a couple years later to the Tulpa.info party (edited)

if you got it wrong i’m done because i repeated it 3 times

"I came up with a new way to view it" is not me saying i invented it, even if that is what it looks like

10:58 PM

Its just a convenient way for me to word things

Reisen: If you were talking about somewhat-novel advice, like creating the pendulum method of vocality training or something, I would agree it was uncool for someone you told about it to later say they "figured it out themselves" (edited)

can you repeat what my problem is please

But you're making a big deal out of something countless people have learned themselves and often said to others for over a decade

10:59 PM

It's just not worth it, even if you're right that you did tell them about it

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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

some of my ideas were even fought against and were going against whole community For over a year i was repeating the phrase: “simplify tulpamancy” “Core of tulpamancy is thay expectations form your experience” “Logic gets on the way, symbolism is not necessary” And lumi/reisen/tewi started saying those things to people and even using that as part of the statement of tulpa.info community I don’t mind any of that and i mever een mentioned it, because it’s for the good of community If you started saying you came up with it, that’s when i would call you out

Ive said these on my own too! Maybe not "simplify tulpamancy" but i was always leaning towards "why all the bs when its this simple" ( 6months later when i had the realization)

ok i’m done, you can’t even tell me what my problem is even though i repeated it 3 times and you still discuss as if you didn’t get it reisen

For the expectations tHing, i used the word schema

this is tulpa-questions btw

This is, isnt it

Reisen: Your problem was the generic advice you gave to someone was later re-given by that person claiming they had realized it from their own experience (edited)

11:01 PM

And I'm saying, that's just a little petty

11:01 PM

(in this case of it being generic advice, if it were more unique then you might rightfully be a little proud about it)

yeah and this is not the first time lolcery is doing that

I like to deep think, so i can come up with things pretty well sometimes

every time he claims he can’t remember Today he even claimed he had his tulpa before he joined here just to admit later he was wrong

11:02 PM

i just hate liars

K/i call lying every time

is it a thing you would find petty or not

11:03 PM

i don’t care

You dont think i might just have shitty recall?

lie is a lie

11:03 PM

and i call it out

ANyways, i genuinely thought i created lynn on the 25th

11:03 PM

Bc i remember spending 3 hours trying to find out!

Whats going on here?

11:03 PM

Kitkat seems angry

anyway going back to enjoying my bath now

Kitkat are you raging over lolcery from your bathtub?

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Kitkat seems angry

Im being misunderstood as stealing credit

11:05 PM

The person i would give credit to my progress and ideas is mainly ranger

I have to admit Ans system is a bit complicated with "credit" sometimes

I usually have pretty good ideas after talks with them

Reisen: Honestly unless someone is claiming to have come up with your own unique technique you taught them themselves, I think it's kind of understood that pretty much no one is going to have been the first to have come up with basic tulpa practices or advice, so there's not much harm in letting them say they've realized things themselves that they might've actually been told. It's not going to hurt anything (edited)

~~i mean i genuinely do not remember an very well, whether or not they were there from the begining~~

They've given a lot of advice here, yes.

berockly (TTG)

yeah, i have personally found that letting tulpas talk to people help strengthen them

As an example, this IS something i DEFINITELY found out myelf

11:07 PM

If nothing else, this

11:07 PM

I remember struggling with developing lynn and finding out having her talk to people is helpful

11:07 PM

Not the date, i remember noticing it though

Reisen: I mean, it sounds like you were told it, didn't internalize it, and then later realized it for real through experience. That's not uncommon at all, since people generally don't "Know" things they're told until it's been thought through successfully in their own minds as well. (edited)

I mean, yeah i probably just forgot it

11:08 PM

I can be told something and not realize it

11:08 PM

Or remember it after

11:09 PM

But again, i attribute it mostly to ranger, and a bit of zen

It doesn't matter who you attribute it to, Ranger's host learned a lot from us I think, and we were just part of the huge Tulpa-info-soup in 2014... (edited)

11:10 PM

Maybe you could just attribute all of this to Pleeb for starting the forum and getting discussion of this phenomenon off of 4chan (:

But yeah, i just want kat to understand that i am in fact not trying to plagiarize her, its just realizations that i had

11:11 PM

And me saying "i came up with" or anything similar just means "i reached the realization of"

Reisen: Yes, that is generally understood these days. (edited)

11:12 PM

It's important to realize things for yourself even if you heard them somewhere first.

In my opinion, it is easy to forget a specific advice and it is easy to remember how something in particular affected you. When you really understand something in your own experience its easy to forget where it came from. I understand kitkats perspective but i believe they do take it a bit too seriously.

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Bro i have a bad headache help

Take ibuprofen? (Not really a #tulpa-question)

I was gonna do a smartass edit to it! But i got no ideas

its probably all the brain demons

If it's the brain demons, the age-old remedy is orange juice. orangejuice

Are they triggered by lack of vitamin C?

Reisen: In the early Tulpa.info years, people just reported drinking orange juice as helping prevent headaches and increase productivity of forcing sessions. I'm not sure it actually has any real effect, though (edited)

11:25 PM

(Forgive our system for replying to jokes seriously, it's just how we are)

Reisen

(Forgive our system for replying to jokes seriously, it's just how we are)

Do not apologize, that was probably the best possible response lol (edited)

Orange juice makes tulpas shut up and lemons make a host shut up, thats just a fact

11:28 PM

Thats why I have a random lemon sticker on my bed

Mwahahaha

i can’t believe you guys are enabling bullshitting Lolcery literally said that he is shure that he came up woth it Just to attribute it to ranger or zen next message The problem i have with lolcery is that he tried to build the “expert” reputation by repeating advice he heard without fully understanding to others, potentially in harmful way because one advice doesn’t necessary work healthily to other cases, even putting aside all other bs advice and theories he actually comes up with (those are easy to spot) I don’t care if someone internalises i told them something - if anything i feel pride! If he claims he “personally came up with” something that i know i told him a few times, i know that he heard it from me so that’s what i call him out for Just like before i called him out for claiming a theory he came up with that was basically theory from the book he mentioned he read Stop enabling bullshitters!

I literally said i didn't read a book! (If your talking abt the mind plane thing)

jesus you did

That was literally something i came up with based on a conversation with my dad

again going to blame memory

11:33 PM

just stop claiming you came up with stuff and that’s it

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

i can’t believe you guys are enabling bullshitting Lolcery literally said that he is shure that he came up woth it Just to attribute it to ranger or zen next message The problem i have with lolcery is that he tried to build the “expert” reputation by repeating advice he heard without fully understanding to others, potentially in harmful way because one advice doesn’t necessary work healthily to other cases, even putting aside all other bs advice and theories he actually comes up with (those are easy to spot) I don’t care if someone internalises i told them something - if anything i feel pride! If he claims he “personally came up with” something that i know i told him a few times, i know that he heard it from me so that’s what i call him out for Just like before i called him out for claiming a theory he came up with that was basically theory from the book he mentioned he read Stop enabling bullshitters!

I do actually partially agree with that. Lolcery has a tendency of repeating un-understood concepts and mix them in weird ways... And i do think there is a "build an image" intention, although i dont think its malicious intent.

I came up with tulpamancy and you all stole it from me

I told you when i say i came up with something i mean "came to the realization/conclusion of"

I do actually partially agree with that. Lolcery has a tendency of repeating un-understood concepts and mix them in weird ways... And i do think there is a "build an image" intention, although i dont think its malicious intent.

@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump this this this

Reisen: I don't think I've paid enough attention to see these instances, but in this current case which is all I can talk about... (edited)

I mean, im not trying to build an image, i just like understanding things and trying to explain to others how i understand them

11:35 PM

This was the start of your current complaint, a perfectly fair comment

11:35 PM

Lolcery has personally experienced that helping them, this is a fact of their own experience

Reisen

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Btw, this was me agreeing and tagging personal experience to it

11:36 PM

"I came to the realization of" and "i invented this" are entirely different things kat

i don’t care how it started, all this conversation taught me reisen doesn’t mind enabling bullshitters and doesn’t see the potential harm in it and calls it “petty” for me to bring it up

Reisen: If you have other problems with their inconsistency or such (that aren't in-the-moment discussion you could simply have then and there), you should PM them about it (edited)